Debra: Yes, but then I encouraged you and you were able to get up in front of those people and give a great speech.
Ray: You encouraged me, but first, you had to tear me down so you could build me back up again.
Debra: What?
Ray: That's right. That's what you do. And you are very careful that I do not come out smarter than you.
Debra: I never really worry about that.