Tim: You how l look at it, the stronger the punishment, the less likelihood is the kid will ever do it again.
Wilson: Well, Tim, many people subscribe to that theory, but I'm reminded of the great Nietzsche.
Tim: Wow. What a linebacker. Green Bay Packers.
Wilson: No. No, no, no, no. Not Ray Nitschke. I'm talking about Friedrich Nietzsche, the philosopher.
Tim: Sure. Freddy. Yeah.
Wilson: Yes. Nietzsche said that punishment often increases the feelings of estrangement and strengthens the power of resistance.
Tim: I think what influenced me more was Fisk.
Wilson: Oh, I didn't know you were a fan of John Fiske, the English historian.
Tim: I'm not. I'm talking about Carlton Fisk, the White Sox catcher. He said if you get caught stealing, throw him out.